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0405 | Countermeasure #1

Updated: Feb 23, 2023

We take a very close look at Keyes's use of his victims' cars to both muddle investigations and both figuratively and literally create distance between himself and his crimes. We revisit previously investigated cases - with new insight; and explore new cases all across the country.

Written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Additional research by Andrew French, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kaz

Patreon producers: Alexa Horn, Amy Basil, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Chelsea Collings, Christina Sisson, Ellen Haines Chaponis, Dana Keith, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Harrison Bequette, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, Kimberly, Meggan Capps-Seawel, Shannon Foster, Shelly Brewer, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Tuesdi Woodworth, and Lydia Fiedler



Dr. Chris Kunkle Chris is a clinical and forensic psychologist.

Chris is the former President of the American Investigative Society of Cold Cases (AISOCC) and currently serves as the Chief Behavioral Health Officer for the SC Department of Corrections.

Bobby Chacon Bobby is a retired FBI agent who led the dive recovery team that recovered Samantha Koenig's remains from Matanuska Lake, and Lorraine Currier's gun from the Blake Falls Reservoir.

Bobby had a highly-acclaimed 27-year career as an FBI agent; and, following his retirement, worked as a consultant on "Criminal Minds."

Learn more about Bobby here.




Sometimes the lyrics are so on point, there is simply no other option. That was the case with "Hatchet." And in a podcast full of somber and moody music, it's always great to include something that's somehow both apt and sonically upbeat.


Possess by William Hellfire

Passages by Kai Engel

Woods by William Hellfire

Man by LaBon

Sleepers by Sergey Cheremisinov

Sleepwalker III by Sergey Cheremisinov

Big Water by Sergey Cheremisinov

Ashes in the Wind by Radical Face

Consequences by Whithe








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